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. >> settling a debt ceiling issue is in the interest of the president and of our country. you have today fitch came out and threatened to decrease the credit rating and they are doing it in a way that areckless because you have outside observers looking at us and i want to highlight a point you made earlier which is the fact that all spending bills are in the constitution. we are looking at a credit card bill that this country has to pay that was in cured by congress by authorizing this spending. >> but peter, you are going to get a budget out of that house. they are late, but i believe they will. it is the senate that hasn't delivered a budge it in years. this is not just about the here and now. this is forward spending. forward spending needs a road map and the taxpayers have a right to know. >> yeah, i think it is pretty rich to call republican ares reckless spepder e spenders her. when president obama was asked to vote on a hike in 2006, the fact that we are raising the debt limit is a result of reckless fiscal policies and that is what president obama says. >> but didn't it explode under
spending, not only raising revenue, but growth in the economy. and you know? this debt ceiling issue is just crazy. i stand -- >> was it crazy seven years ago when your democratic colleague voted against raising it? was it crazy then? >> well, except it wasn't real and this is real. the last final -- >> real is in the eye of the beholder. >> no, no. >> i guess it's -- >> it was more -- you know that those past votes were more symbolic, but when we really had a crisis over the debt ceiling in 2011, there were real consequences. real lasting consequences, and we didn't even -- we did raise the debt ceiling in the end, but we saw the deficit grow, neil, when there was this threat to -- and so as i said, the coke brothers, the u.s. chamber of commerce, against the debt crisis. >> i always appreciate your coming on. you give as well as you take and i appreciate that. congresswoman jan. >> a warning about the healthcare law. unite health care says its costs are running up. all rise. the judge says your premiums are about to do the exact same thing. so, i guess we shouldn't be surprised. pr
not market -- market all of. gerri: you bring a degree point because the first time we had the debt ceiling issue, which is the one now looming in congress, we saved 2,000 points of the stock market. it did not last, thankfully, but it was scary. it may allow the people uneasy. we will -- will leave be in for the same type of problem if we get right up to that deadline and no agreement? >> yes. yes. and that is why we are all annoyed and hopeful that congress will learn a lesson and not do a test again because all they're doing getting in our way causing a lot of banks and warrior necessarily for the american public and investors or a wide. gerri: a broader question. you're a smart guy and you watch all this stuff. one of the things the we're waiting for, listening tour, s&p, moody's, downgrade are dead again, what will happen? we will be the ramifications? how will that hit individual investor portfolios? >> there is a risk that traditionally when they're is a downgrade of a bond rating the value of the bond goes down as well, which means if you own u.s. government securities you're going
the debt ceiling issue. stay away with government shutdowns. they're political poison and p.r. disaster. instead, on the spending sequester, $1.2 trillion stay with the spending sequester. i believe john boehner should stick with his one to $1 debt increase with a dollar spending cut. and then go to the new budget. paul ryan, where are you? we need more spending cuts, more entitlement reform and even some tax reform especially business tax cuts to spur economic growth. my two cents. here is an old friend, david walker, founder, president and ceo of the come back america initiative. he knows a lot about this. david, let me ask you this. is boehner wrong to insist that a dollar debt increase should be accompanied by a spending decrease? >> the fact is we need to pay our bills. and i do however think that we have a spending problem. the federal government has gone from being 2% of the economy, 100 years ago. to 24% today. headed to 37% by 2040 absent a change in course. the republicans ought to leverage the sequester and the c.r. not to shut down the government, but we need to reduce spend
shellacked. they tried to force the issue using the debt ceiling in 2011 and using the fiscal cliff in january. i was as gung-ho as any of them to force obama into cutting spending in a government -- the government is spending us into penury. but it failed. the reason is, you cannot govern from one house of congress. that is the lesson. that is the truth. i wrote a column this morning saying, you have to recognize you cannot use these things because in the and you will have to cave. will be humiliated, your ratings will be low, as mark indicated, and you will not get the spending cuts anyways. realism has certainly taken over republican leadership, and i do not think that the republican house is going to want to go over the cliff. >> look and what has happened. the president has gone from dealing with the big problem that faces the whole country, to trying to destroy the republican party. is exactly what the public does not want. that is what is happening. we are turning into small, petty brinksmanship. let's see if we could crush the republican party. he has given up on a larger an
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-bills. at the end of 2011 the last time we had a debt ceiling issue we saw bill rates for four week bills and three-month bills start to move up. today we had a one-month bill auction, trading on at five basis points and the auction went off at 9.5 basis points and many are attributing to anxieties and rule 2a7 from the s.e.c. which gives you rules on what kind of time frames can you have with respect to holding in the money funds and a little bit of selling today may be from that group as well. >> anxiety over the debt ceiling crisis? >> exactly. about getting principal back as ridiculous as it may sound. >> david, jump in here. feels like a slow volume day again. are people waiting on some of the banks earnings because tomorrow we've, of course, got some bigies? >> waiting on earnings, but earnings expectations are very low. i think 60% to 70% of stocks will beat their estimates this quarter, and i'm going to watch for guidance over the balance of the year, maria. now you'll have three guests here who are going to be favorably disposed to the market and that makes me a little bit nervous. neverth
of the year. as businesses get more confident because we get through the fiscal cliff and the debt ceiling issue. >> we'll see how we get through it and where the cuts come from. >> go ahead, samir. >> i was going to say it's been really interesting how much of a rotation you've seen in tech especially on the sentiment side. all about the death of the pc and the likes of intel and dell and hp selling off and now it's completely the opposite where a lot of the stocks have had pretty nice runs, whether it's because, you know, they have announced restructurings or buybacks, and now it's kind of the -- maybe not the death of it or whatever, but you've had a very nice pullback. very interesting how quickly you've seen that rotation in technology, and i kind of point people back to the fall as to how quickly things change in a hurry. >> thanks very much. have a great weekend, and we will talk soon. >> thanks. >> appreciate your time tonight. major averages hitting three-week winning streaks with the dow and the s&p 500 touching five-year highs. bob pisani has all the action today. >> the importa
that. so we -- and we still have that strength. but we can't move beyond the debt ceiling issue. i knew that would be a stopper, a game stopper. so we have to address that. now, the conditions exist that there can be a grand compromise that will move the economy forward or we can just go into free fall. for example, the last negotiation on the debt ceiling, well, the president, i thought, gave more than he should have given, but nonetheless, he did that. now the onus is on the rps to come to the table. because, see, what has happened is, tax cuts are essentially -- tax increases are off the table. and we got revenue from that. not enough that we needed, but that's off the table. and that was a big issue for the republicans. >> danny, let's move on. let's talk about the possibility of a government shutdown. the president seemed to indicate that it was, first of all, the republicans' responsibility. that they were going to take the onus, the responsibility for this, and that it was potentially something that he was willing to allow happen, because he felt that most people will blame the r
marker on that issue of the debt ceiling. will it hit of how much it can borrow. the president says that congress must raise it. he will not negotiate. it's their responsibility. that puts the president squarely at odds with the president. they'll demand spending cuts before raising that ceiling. the president will not engage in negotiates, period. it's simply congress's responsibility to act. >> he's ruled out any unilateral work-around. >>> an element of here we go again. >> it certainly does. so many times, back in august 2011, again, just before the end of this year, the president in pa major confrontation with congress over fiscal issues, taxes and spending and debt. >> you're looking at the door slightly ajarred to the green room, right next to the east room, and the president has been gathering there, we noticed that he postponed this press conference a couple of times this morning. a few delays. >> supposed to be around 11:15. we're almost half-hour after that. not quite. the president could face questions about personnel in the second term. he's facing a big fight with his
'm still pleading ignorance on in this whole debt ceiling issue. i'm telling you what would happen if congress did not raise the debt ceiling that would make it such a dangerous option for going forward. >> i think our credit rating go down, and how would we pay the bills? how would we pay social security? how would we pay veterans? >> there wouldn't be any money? >> no -- >> [inaudible] >> the republicans are saying pick and choose. and so let's have a vote here. which ones would we pick? which ones would not occur right away? i mean, the president was right to say, in my judgment, to the republicans don't do it. you're playing with fire. >> but why? i haven't -- i don't understand that, i guess. >> why what? >> why are they playing with fire? what would happen in? >> but those are two different questions. i think the republicans have some idea what would happen. we've been through this with the credit rating. and i think, essentially, they know what would happen, and so they say let's pick and choose. by the way, they haven't said which they would pick. and which would be left as
that are going to be before us, once we get past this debt ceiling issue so my recommendation with investors is that at this point in time, it's premature to react to those comments, even though they may be troubling to all of us. let's see how it unfolds before you begin making any investment moves based on a potential tax hike. cheryl: well, yeah. talking about more tax revenue coming in, i'm sorry, but ears perk up. let's talk about the specific company that you like on your radar, and there's a couple reasons. first and foremost, they doubled the dividend on monday. the company doing well financially, at the same time, dividend payers like a ford, joe, could, again, fall out of investor payer. do you stick by ford if the tax fight continues? >> yes, because beyond the dividend, it's an attractive stock. auto industry as a whole, we think, has still tremendous upside potential since it bottomed out in 2009, it continues to improve. ford, specifically, streamlined down to lincoln and ford models. they have a ways to go yet, but they are really looking to compete head on in the united state
will open up with remarks about three to five minutes about the debt ceiling. it's an issue that's been with the president throughout his presidency. he's worked with congress four times to raise it the first time with the stimulus law in 2009, but this time, the president said he has no intention of negotiating with republicans in congress about whether to raise the debt ceiling, saying it's their obligation, not his. another issue clearly to come up will be gun violence. the vice president, joe biden, presents his recommendations based on his task force meetings with the president tomorrow. and maybe the chuck hagel nomination, though which not beleaguered, has developed momentum on capitol hill. those three issues, scott, likely to dominate today's press conference. >> major, thank you very much. six days before inauguration day for the president and it has been exactly one month since that unimaginable tragedy at newtown, connecticut. the vice president has spent the last several days talking to various constituent groups about gun violence in this country, me
to force the issue using the debt ceiling in 2011, the fiscal cliff in january. i was as gung-ho as any of them to force obama into cutting spending. the government spendinis spendiding us into penury. but it faed because you cannot govern froone house of t congress. that is the truth. i wrote a column this morning ying essentially you have to recognize you cannot use these things because, in the end, you will be humiliated. ratings will be low, d you will not get the spending ts anyways. i think that adds some realism. certainly, i do not think the republic house is going to want to go over the cliff. >> let's think about what happened. the president has gone from dealing with the big problem that faces t whole country, to try to destroy the republican party. this is exactly what the public does not want. we are turning to small petty brinksmanship. let's see if we can crush the republican par. he has giv up on a larger and re noble goal. >> i am not going to say who iss right or wrong in the negotiations, they were very close. but the reason the grand bargain has twice fallen through
nothing and there are also no meetings even planned regarding the debt ceiling and the inevitable issue that is are faced by those who need to make the decisions for us. >> yeah. we have got this triple deadline coming up. and nobody -- everybody says they don't want to do it at the last minute the way we did with the fiscal cliff but nobody seems to be talking about it yet. you don't have negotiations started. granted we are in a bit of a holding pattern with the inauguration coming up and maybe things start to happen after that but nobody seems to be jumping in proactively for a solution to these issues that are coming up and that's because they're tough decisions. they're hard. and nobody has something that is universally palatable ready to off offer. >> with that said, will we see a separation of spending cuts the republicans say they want to desperately and separate it from the debt ceiling? as the president said, you can't run out on a meal you have eaten. this is not new debt. this is bills we have acquired. the government and this country must be obligated to do the same. >> wel
yourself. >> the debt ceiling debate continues. >> we are not a dead beat nation. >> we all know the issue is spending. >> what are the risks of huge spending cuts? >> operations, maintenance, and ading will be gutted. real ground aircraft, return chips to port, and sharply curtail training across the force. >> a bill before the wyoming state legislature would make a federal agent who tried to enforce a ban on firearms guilty of a felony. there are similar measures under consideration in texas and the governor of mississippi says he wants to make it iegal in the state to enforce any new federal gun laws. how many times have we had this debate? this time after the murders of the children in newtown, conn., the president tells us this is different. the president has signed 23 executive orders aimed at reducing gun violence and is urging congress to reinstate a ban on so-called assault weapons, limit the size on magazines, and mandate here are some background checks for all gun sales. he is also asking the public to put heat on members of congress. remembers of congress if they support univer
. they tried to force the issue using the debt ceiling in 2011, using the fiscal cliff in january. i am as gung-ho as any of them to force obama into cutting spending. but it failed, and the reason is, you cannot govern from one house of the congress. that is the truth. i wrote a column this morning saying essentially, you have to recognize, you cannot use these things come up as in the end, you will have to cave. you will be humiliated and our ratings will be low, as you indicated, and you will not get the spending cuts anyway. certainly, i do not think the republican house will want to go over the cliff. >> the president of the united states has gone from dealing with the big problem that faces the whole country to try to destroy the republican party. this is exactly what the public does not want. we are turning into small, petty brinksmanship. let's see if we can crush the republican party. he has given up on the larger and more noble goal of doing something. >> i am not going to say who was right or wrong in the negotiations but the reason that this grand bargain has twice fallen through is
you, essentially, to take -- consider some sort of executive action on this debt ceiling issue. i know you've said you're not negotiating on it. your administration has ruled out the various ideas that have been out there -- the 14th amendment. but just this morning, one of the house democratic leaders, jim clyburn, asked you to use the 14th amendment and even said, sometimes that's what it takes. he brought up the emancipation proclamation as saying it took executive action when congress wouldn't act, and he compared the debt ceiling to that. so are you considering a plan b, and if not, why not? >> well, chuck, the issue here is whether or not america pays its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. and so there's a very simple solution to this: congress authorizes us to pay our bills. now, if the house and the senate want to give me the authority so that they don't have to take these tough votes, if they want to put the responsibility on me to raise the debt ceiling, i'm happy to take it. mitch mcconnell, the republican leader in the senate, had a proposal like that last year, and i'm h
to the president tomorrow. other hot issues, the debt ceiling and immigration we may be hearing about. we want to know what you would ask the president if you're able to ask him a question. you can tweet us at happening now those questions. jon: sounds good. heather touched on it. vice president joe biden presents his plan to curb gun violence to president obama tomorrow. one city is apparently not waiting around for washington act. chicago quickly becoming ground zero in the debate on gun control. that city saw more than 500 murders last year, prompting mayor rahm emanuel to take action with a gun control plan of his own. steve brown is live in chicago right now, but i guess mayor emanuel is not. he is in d.c. today suggesting democratic strategy to try to get gun control accomplished, is that right, steve? >> reporter: in a sense yes, it was part of the discussion at a public revent held in washington that mayor emanuel took part in. local press was made aware of it well in advance. it touches on the city's most dramatic problem which is gun violence in this city. you mentioned over 500 homi
, from the fiscal cliff, this issue, we have continuing resolutions, the debt ceiling debate. he's in full campaign mode. do you think the president emboldened by reelection and maybe emboldened by a win on the fiscal cliff, do you think he's overreaching on the political consequences and how should republicans deal with it? >> look, i think he clearly felt after the election that he was out to crush the one institution that was stopping his agenda, that it stopped it in the second, in the third and the fourth years of his administration, first administration, namely the republican house. he set up the fiscal cliff negotiations deliberately to split the republicans in the house, knowing that if he did, it would neuter the opposition and he would have the kind of dominance of washington, which he had in the first two years before he lost the house in the mid term elections. so, i have no doubt that that's how he used the fiscal cliff. that's how he's going to use the issue of immigration and that's how he's going to approach the debt ceiling and other issues and it's his objective
felt would be resolved ultimately in some form the way that it was. the debt ceiling crisis does sort of put these o'two sides, the republicans and democrats and the white house and congress head to head. once again right now, the republicans have insisted that the only way they will raise that debt ceiling past the 16.4 trillion mark where it is right now is if they get dollar for-dollar spending cuts that match that raise. the president has said, his press secretary has said, they will not negotiate on this issue. on the fiscal cliff issue they were willing to negotiate. there were obviously conversations behind the scenes. we know the leaders of congress came here to the white house. on the debt ceiling issue it is dramatically different. and on top of that you also have two other issues where these two sides will be going head to head. again, the issue of sequester. and obviously, the continuing resolution, basically the way the government is paid for going forward. so we've got a busy couple months ahead of us. >> we do. hey, peter, we have to take note that we're going to see yo
on the debt ceiling. >> the issue here is whether or not america pays its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. >> taking a stand on the one-month anniversary of the newtown massacre. the families speak out. >> this is a promise to turn the conversation into actions. things must change. this is the time. this is a promise we make to our precious children because each child, every human life, is filled with promise, and though we continue to be filled with unbearable pain, we choose love, belief, and hope instead of anger. >> calling them out. tough words from former secretary of state general colin powell for his fellow republicans on race. >> there's also a dark vein of intolerance many some parts of the party. >> the end of the longest war and the man president obama has nominated to wind it down coming up. retired general stanley mcchrystal on chuck hagel. the exit strategy from afghanistan and his own career. >>> plus, show stopper. president clinton he should the standing ovation with his surprise appearance on "lincoln" at the golden globes. >> in "lincoln" we see a man more interesting
've been through this, i go back to the debt ceiling issue, and can you tell me what would happen if congress did not raise the debt ceiling, and if that would make it such a dangerous option for going forward. >> i think our credit rating would go down, and how would we pay the bills? how would we pay social security? how would we pay veterans? >> [inaudible] >> no. the republicans are saying pick and choose. let's have a vote here. which ones would we pick? which ones would not occur right away? i mean, the president was right to say, in my judgment, to the republicans, don't do it, you're playing with fire. >> i don't understand that, i guess. >> why what? >> why are they playing with fire? what would happen? >> those are two different questions. i think the republicans have some idea of what would happen. we've been through this with the credit rating. i think the sense is they know what would happen until they say let's pick and choose. by the way, they have not said which they would pick and which would be left, and the president made clear we're not talking about future exp
the way. we've got a debt ceiling issue that the president's going to have to deal with. there are a lot of other issues the president's going to have to deal with, immigration reform. i think the president's going to have to spend time on this whether he wants to or not. >> connie mack, nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> please tell your lovely wife we're sorry she lost all her luggage and was stuck at the airport. >> love you, honey. >> we'll get back to john berman with a look at some of the other stories ahead this morning. >>> we'll be talking about the golden globes. ben affleck didn't get nominated for an oscar, but his surprise win at the globes may be vindication. we'll have that, the other surprises, and the big snubs in a live report. >>> he's known for his role on "breaking bad," but actor steven michael casada has a new role to play, local school board member. you should know that axiron is here. the only underarm treatment for low t. that's right, the one you apply to the underarm. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18. axiron can transfer to others
ceiling issue. we should set it aside for a considerable period of time. we should tackle sequestration and we have to do that in the next six weeks. so i'm hopeful that we don't drag this out as some people are saying and then move on to the serious discussion of tax reform and environment issues. so i see it in a sense the opposite way. i say let's get this done, the sequestration part in the debt ceiling in the next six weeks and then move on. those who are saying let's do it dribble by turbo, they are the ones who would be undermining the effort to sit down and have a serious discussion of tax reform. >> we've got about two minutes left. francine. >> the question about itemize deductions. what s-sierra thought of having a cab, that people can use it for whatever they want for mark h., whatever. >> i think the problem with the cap is that it has to seriously consequence, especially for charitable contributions. because a substantial portion of the charitable contributions come from the very wealthy. ii think the figure may be something like well over half comes from people with incom
are some of the top republicans responding to president obama on this debt ceiling issue? >> reporter: well, jon, republicans are clearly uncomfortable with prominent democrats already talking about a tax increase when you consider the fiscal cliff deal raised taxes and every worker with a payroll tax hiring expiring and raised taxes on upper income americans even further, check your pay stub. a leading republican says responding to the president what's critical is getting spending under control. >> it's a compelling message saying we ned to pay the bills we've racked up. of it messes the whole point again. think of it in terms of a credit card. in you have a son or daughter who exceeds the limit, the first thing you do is rip up the card, the second thing you do is you say you need to change your spending habits. >> reporter: they say we need to a just what bills we are paying and how they are paying. jon: the issue of depending on disaster relief could provide tkraeupl drama there on capitol hill. >> reporter: speaker john boehner promised that the house would take up sandy relief bills
. i think the question is how much will these issues from washington, whether it's the debt ceiling, the sequester, the lingering uncertainty over the long-term budget picture undermine confidence, lower the valuations of u.s. companies because people just have less confidence in long-term trajectory. >> jared, president obama starts his second term next week. his inauguration, of course, monday. what has he done right in the last four years, in your view, what could he have done better or has he done wrong? >> four years ago right around this time when i was a member of the administration's economic team i was remembering just the juks of position about the great hope and expectations and just the real horror of what was going on in macro economy. gdp contracting at 9%, losing 700, 800,000 jobs per month. i think the president came in and hit very hard and broke the back of the great recession a lot sooner than people expected, certainly the financial markets were reflated much more quickly than -- and at less ek pence than people expected. and pretty soon, really by the second hal
's a good thing over the longer term. we do have some issues coming up. the debt ceiling obviously one of them. the second question is we start to get the economic data. how big of a hit from the tax increaseses, payroll tax holiday, and what do those numbers which may be a bit on the soft side do to stocks? >> absolutely. that is the question of the day, isn't it, jared. the ceiling debate, the u.s. set to hit that $16 trillion limit on borrowing in the next month if we haven't hit it yet. let's take a listen to what president obama had to say about the potential battle looming in congress. >> markets could go haywire, interest rates would spike for anybody who borrows money. every homeowner with a mortgage, every student with a college loan, every small business own whole wants to grow and hire. >> jared, how does this play out? >> well, we're beginning to hear lots of sounds from republicans that we're in a compromising mode than we heard, say, a week ago. right now they're talking about perhaps an increase in the debt ceiling that lasts for a couple of months, that is offering that
committee as to who should testify. the debt ceiling issue should become a partisan issue. i appeal to the republicans to realize they should not place us in that kind of jeopardy. there will be hearing. we will work on witnesses today. i hope we will be resolving who the witnesses will be. i think there'll be concentration as to who they pick and our choice, one witness out of four. host: might it be secretary geithner? guest: no. host: tony. hi, tony. caller: good morning. guest: where is olive branch? i have been across the bridge there. caller: the talk about congress and everybody is looking at discretionary spending. we're finding the black rhino but we cannot take care of grandma. otherbuilding mosques foreign countries. people have to worry about being on the street and being homeless. we send money to countries to improve their water systems. thinking about the pipes in china. money out of this country. he talked about people spending money and avoiding taxes. host: we will get a response. guest: i do not know the last figure. we do have foreign assistance. it is a small pa
to americans, namely the economy, deficit and yes, even the debt ceiling. tracy: did he miss the boat though? i mean -- >> he missed --. tracy: you have an evil streak in you, you're going to do bad things. >> if you have an evil streak. if you're also mentally ill because the last four of these mass shootings, tragically have all involved mentally ill individuals. their actions, their actions are solely responsible for what transpired. nothing this president, interestingly, putting out 23, memoranda, second i have is -- executive actions calling on congress three basic things on gun control, none of them approach the issue he said this was all about, that is protecting our children. there was not one proposal or in sum all of his proposals today, that rose to the level of security and safety offered by the nra proposal to put armed guards at every school in the country. i mean that's, that is breathtaking. and how many in the national liberal media will talk note of that fact? lori: what is interesting to me, what i've been thinking about over these last couple weeks especially since newtown a
on the path on other issues. he even challenged on the issue of the debt ceiling when he was in the senate. he said that he wouldn't raise the debt ceiling, and now he is saying that the obligation exists for that to take place right now. he also laid out what i think is going to define some of the next several weeks, which is the issue of gun control. we are expecting that the vice president would be providing his recommendations following his gun violence task force about a month to the day now after the newtown shootings. those recommendations were expected tomorrow. the vice president is sitting down, alex, with the president for what will be a late lunch after about a 51 minute news conference wrapping up to share those proposals and the president made clear that later this week he will then have a more full presentation on what he plans to pursue going forward. i think he had a pretty candid admission in that news conference as well as it relates to this issue of guns. one of the very hotly contested topics on that is whether or not to reinstate the assault weapons ban. the president sai
on this debt ceiling issue. i know you've said you're not negotiating on it. your administration has ruled out the various ideas that have been up there, the 14th amendment just this morning one of the house democratic leaders jim clyburn asked you to use the 14th amendment and even said sometimes that's what it takes, he brought up the emancipation proclamation, saying it took executive action when congress wouldn't act and he compared the debt ceiling to that. are you considering a plan "b"? and if not, why not? >> well, chuck, the issue here is whether or not america pays its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. and so there's a very simple solution to this. congress authorizes us to pay our bills. now, if the house and the senate want to give me the authority so that they don't have to take these tough votes, if they want to put the responsibility on me to raise the debt ceiling, i'm happy to take it. mitch mcconnell, the republican leader in the senate, had a proposal like that last year. and i'm happy to accept it. but if they want to keep this responsibility then they need to go ahead a
of authorizing more spending. the issue here is whether or not america pays its bills. raising the debt ceiling does not authorize us to spend more. because this is about paying your bills. >> i do hope speaker boehner was listening. joining us in the studio is jonathan capehart from "the washington post" and in los angeles democratic strategist and nyu professor bob shrum. welcome to you both. professor shrum, we reached the debt ceiling two weeks ago today. the treasury department is giving us a few weeks of maneuvering room before we begin to default. and yet you have people like the heritage foundation saying today, default is not at issue. how many conservatives truly believe their tactics pose no risk whatsoever to the economy, particularly given what happened the last time they took the debt ceiling hostage? >> look, what heritage put out today is drivel. a transparent attempt -- >> drivel, this is the considered view of an important organization. >> yeah, whose president is jim demint. i don't take it all that seriously. >> okay. >> what they're saying is, well, the government could pay
it a whole lot -- we spend a whole lot more money than we take in, the debt ceiling become as real issue pd at government has to stop spending about $100 billion a month. that means the government will have to lay off people and that will mean more unemployment and more pain for people. it also means the government won't be able to pay all 6 it bills and it may stop sending money to the businesses in the united states. some of whom could go bankruptcy because of it. >> critics have said you can list out all of the things that won't get paid respect but in the end it has a massive ripple effect. and yet the house speaker said yesterday the consequences of failing to increase the debt ceiling are real, but so, too, are the consequences of allowing our spending problem to go unresolved. so i think a lot of people are tormented over this. they agree with both sides. yes, we can't spend, no, we can't default, but who does big business see this? >> big business is pretty clear. i've spoken to a lot of ceos. they don't want to have the debt ceiling be the problem. they think that would be very bad
get the u.s. government past the immediate stumbling block of the failure to raise the debt ceiling. that's a legal matter. as a political matter, i think it's basically a nonstarter because it seems comical and it seems ridiculous. >> bruce, you suggest an alternate strategy which is one bill clinton has talked about and colombia law professors do. which is the president should essentially say, i have the implicit authority to raise the debt ceiling without congress, correct? >> that's right. of course, i'm not a legal scholar, but i do oppose the existence of the debt limit. i even testified before the senate finance committee that we should get rid of it. i think it's a dreadful left over from ancient history that simply creates opportunities for hostage taking by congress, such as the one we're facing right now and our foreign policy, we don't negotiate with hostage takers for a very good reason and i think that we need to get rid of this debt limit. but i'm perfectly willing to go along with the trillion dollar coin, if that's what's necessary to prevent this hostage from being
broader macro issues, and i think it's the debt ceiling and sequestration talks, are really keeping the lid on the market so i don't suspect you'll see a real move up and through 1475 unless there's clarify coming out of washington. that's what i think the market really wants to hear. >> it sure does. rick, do you want to hear that? >> no, i don't think we will. but i do think the republicans are probably going to be more inclined when they come up with the weekend restreet strategy to pay more attention to the sequester side of the equation, my opinion. i agree with greg ip. if you're looking for the big run up in interest rates in 2013, at least in my opinion, you're going to be disappointed. here's what i still can't reconci reconcile. the beige book didn't give us a positive grow on jobs and on the 30th of month we'll look at the annualized pace of growth in the form of gdp, looking for 1.5%. another year where we don't see big tax revenues coming in because we're not creating a lot of jobs. the economy is growing less than 2%, and we're still bragging about what a great year it
should never be frightened by our nation's leaders, the issue of who is what gets paid in a debt ceiling impasse, a shut town of government, would be entirely up to the president of the united states period. if congress does fail to lift the debt ceiling by late february, the treasury department has to cover about 450 billion-dollars. in obligations. about 450 billion. revenue at that point, $2 77 billion. essentially the government will be able to cover about 60% of its bill. 60% of its bills, treasury would make the interest payments on the debt that could is about 40 billion. okay? just for debt, we could still pay up social security benefits, they account for about 61 billion-dollars. and we could still pay veterans and our military, that would cost $17 billion for the military and for veterans. that is still only $118 billion of that $2 17. $118 billion. i want to ask you. why would anyone not be appalled by a president saying what he just did? implying there would not be adequate money to take care of social security obligations during that period. imply its would not be up to him
, to consider some sort of executive action on this debt ceiling issue. i know you've said you're not negotiating and your administration has ruled out the various ideas that were out there, the 14th amendment, but just this morning one of the house members asked you to use the 14th amendment and said sometimes that's what it takes. he brought up the proclamation and he compared the debt ceiling to that. so are you considering a plan b? and if not, why not? >> well, chuck, the issue here is whether or not america pays its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. and so there is a very simple solution to this. congress authorizes us to pay our bills. now, if the house and the senate want to give me the authority so that they don't have to take these tough votes, if they want to put the responsibility on me to raise the debt ceiling, i'm happy to take it. mitch mcconnell, the republican leader in the senate, had a proposal like that last year, and i'm happy to accept it. but if they want to keep this responsibility, then they need to go ahead and get it done. and there are no magic t
have this fight over the debt ceiling, but it is about bigger issues. the debt ceiling has nothing to do with immigration reform, nothing to do with the proposals on gun control, nothing to do with anything else the president might want to do in his second term, but guess what, it does affect the climate in washington. and the fact that he does not have a more trusting, even a private back channel relationship with the key republican leaders is one of the -- one of the reasons and they had responsibility too, i'm not putting it all on the president it a washington crisis if you will, a trust deficit. it is one of the reasons -- >> mitch mcconnell talking. >> so you have to have the vice president go to the senate republican leader, two guys -- they're not best of friends. trust me. i know them both. they're not best of friends. they do trust each other. mitch mcconnell knows if joe biden gives him his word, it is good. we need more of that in washington, not less. >> let me ask you, since i have you, something else the president mentioned, asked, of course, about gun violence in th
if congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling. president obama says he will not negotiate this issue with congress but republicans want any increase in the debt ceiling to be tied to spending cuts. >>> the issue here is whether or not america pays its bills. we are not a deadbeat nation. and so -- there is a very simple solution to this. >> now, in a statement, john boehner indicated the republican party is prepared for a fight. he said "the consequences of failing to increase the debt ceiling are rule but so are the consequences of allowing our spending problem to go unresolved." >>> state lawmakers in sacramento are closely watching this debate in washington. the concern is that if congress doesn't act on the debt ceiling, the national economy could dip and that would likely have a negative effect on california's budget numbers. push >> the biggest risk to our forecast or the analysts' forecasts could come next month and that's from washington, d.c. >> the 2013 budget release by governor brown showed a surplus for the first time in many years and that was thanks to new tax revenue
and the democrats on this powerful committee as to who should testify. because i don't think the debt ceiling issue should become such a partisan issue. and i just appeal to the republicans who are having this retreat to realize that they should not place us in that kind of jeopardy. so there will be a hearing. we're going to work on witnesses today, settle them, and i hope the chairman and i will be resolving who will be the witnesses. they get the choice, the majority, but in this case i think there will be consternation as to who they pick and our choice. host: ok, all right. guest: we'll have one witness out of four. host: could it be secretary geithner? guest: no. host: do you think they'll call on him, the republicans? guest: no. host: tony, olive branch, mississippi. republican. hi, tony. caller: good morning. how you doing, senator? guest: where is olive branch? caller: it's down across the street from memphis, tennessee -- mississippi. guest: i've been across the bridge there. host: what's your question or comment? caller: my deal is when you talk about congress and everybody is looking at
as immigration and climate change in the debt ceiling where the gun issue is concerned, we will see rallies and town halls and lots of big gun control type money on tv screens. on the other side of all of this the national rifle association is planning a big ad blitz on its own. first one on the web started in the last day or so. it busts the president for hypocrisy because is he skeptical about the idea of armed guards in schools while his kids go to a private school here in d.c. by the way the house and the hill both know that the president's proposed ban on semiautomatic rifles is din disingenuous that there are not enough votes in the senate. everybody knows it. >> bill: states should control that issue and the feds can put in a law you can't transport them across state lines. that's what they do. all right. rosen now, clarence thomas, supreme court justice, never speaks. he is like the spinks. he never speaks. there he is, not speaking. we have a picture of him not speaking which is not hard to get because he never speaks. but he did break his silence, rosen, on what? >> kind of, sort
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